Parts: Stator Rewire Kit

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brown_beret7 Veni, Vidi, Posti 1975 Vespa GTR 125, 1976 Vespa V90 (Resto), 2001 Vespa ET4 125 (Sold), 2009 Vespa GTS300 Super Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Posts: 5509 Location: Northants UK

Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:11 am quote I'm doing my first full restoration of a '75 Vespa GTR 125, basically the same as a Sprint and Rally. I hear that a 12v electronic ignition conversion is a really sensible mod for reliability, but I'm not sure what's involved in converting to it, plus my books and manuals focus on the original set-up. I can see kits etc available from SIP (where I'm often getting parts from) but as a newbie to it 'I don't know what I don't know'. I can learn pretty quickly, but could use a simple overview of what's involved, the parts needed/effected, and any tips from anyone who's done it. Thanks all

SFvsr Ossessionato a lambretta or two Joined: 31 Mar 2012 Posts: 3713 Location: San Francisco

Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:07 pm quote Same as a Sprint and Rally huh?

brown_beret7 Veni, Vidi, Posti 1975 Vespa GTR 125, 1976 Vespa V90 (Resto), 2001 Vespa ET4 125 (Sold), 2009 Vespa GTS300 Super Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Posts: 5509 Location: Northants UK

Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:42 pm quote SFvsr wrote: Same as a Sprint and Rally huh? Yup, basically the same - large frame, 10" wheels etc, just a 125cc bore and lower gearing to match the European regs of the time.

TravisNJ Primasarah 1979 P200E, 1977 Rally 200, 1974 Primavera Joined: 15 Mar 2011 Posts: 3087 Location: Lake Worth, FL

Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:56 pm quote Get the BGM kit from Serious Outdoors (MB Developments). Quality is tops.

SFvsr Ossessionato a lambretta or two Joined: 31 Mar 2012 Posts: 3713 Location: San Francisco

Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:26 pm quote brown_beret7 wrote: SFvsr wrote: Same as a Sprint and Rally huh? Yup, basically the same - large frame, 10" wheels etc, just a 125cc bore and lower gearing to match the European regs of the time. Yeah. The same EXCEPT where it matters: Ignition. Different crankshaft, different ignition. Get the MBD ignition like that guy says.

brown_beret7 Veni, Vidi, Posti 1975 Vespa GTR 125, 1976 Vespa V90 (Resto), 2001 Vespa ET4 125 (Sold), 2009 Vespa GTS300 Super Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Posts: 5509 Location: Northants UK

Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:30 pm quote SFvsr wrote: brown_beret7 wrote: SFvsr wrote: Same as a Sprint and Rally huh? Yup, basically the same - large frame, 10" wheels etc, just a 125cc bore and lower gearing to match the European regs of the time. Yeah. The same EXCEPT where it matters: Ignition. Different crankshaft, different ignition. Well, like I said, this is my first full resto, and I'm learning SFvsr wrote: Get the MBD ignition like that guy says. Thanks guys. Hunting on the MD website and can't find it... http://www.mbdevelopments.co.uk/groupsite/ Do you have to put together a few parts to make up all you need?

TravisNJ Primasarah 1979 P200E, 1977 Rally 200, 1974 Primavera Joined: 15 Mar 2011 Posts: 3087 Location: Lake Worth, FL

Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:40 pm quote Yes. Call up MB Developments, ask for Broadhurst and tell him you need part number BGM6661. It is the kit for Vespa Sprint150 (VLB1T), Sprint Veloce, GT125 (VNL2T), GTR125 (VNL2T), Super, GL150 (VLA1T), VNA, VBA, VNB, and VBBs. It comes with a 1900g EI Flywheel, BGM 12v 120w PX Stator, Rear Brake Switch, Flywheel Nut, Bracket, Flywheel Removal Tool, and BGM Regulator (retails for 229,-euro + vat). Also, you need the accompanying wiring harness, part number 9077011 from BGM. It is made for those kits as it allows you to use the PX EFL stator with blue/black wire out in a pre-PX bike. I use it in my smallframe.

brown_beret7 Veni, Vidi, Posti 1975 Vespa GTR 125, 1976 Vespa V90 (Resto), 2001 Vespa ET4 125 (Sold), 2009 Vespa GTS300 Super Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Posts: 5509 Location: Northants UK

Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:54 pm quote Cool, thanks Travis Found it on the MBD site by searching that part no. They're showing no stock, but a £209 retail to me. The wiring harness didn't come up on a part code. I'll get in touch with them when I come to need it. What's it like to fit? Any tips? (newbie level!) Also wondering whether that £200+ is best put to this kit or to a PX or P engine instead...?

Parts: Electrical

Zener Diode

• Clipper type Diode / Heat Sink

12V Regulator

• 05 20 1146

Toyota Relay

• 12V 90987-02006 / 056700-6912 Denso

Flasher

• Kt-Flasher 10w x 2 + 1.7W Relay

Battery

• 9-BS Eliminator
• 12N9l - BS 12v 9A.H

Spare Bulbs

• Standard 3057
• Headlight? Halogen 20-12V 18/18W

Spark Plugs

• Blue Vespa
• Champion J8C (Best Choice)
• Red Vespa
• NGK BP6ES
• Spare
• Bosch Platinum WR8DP

Parts: Seats

Seats


Front Seat

• (90622)

Back Seat




3x Chrome Plated Bolts

• #12 x 30cm Hex
• (S14732)

Parts: Carb & Related

Carb Unit (Engraved on Side)

• Spaco LIC
• Dell Orto S120
• P1057 17
• (92263/ 90928)

Hose


Hose Gaskets x2

• (852296)
• (852288)

Hose Fitting

• (85295-Pipe)

Bolt Hex

• (85294)
• Pipe Securing Screw 27
• Not fully Threaded

Carb Cover

• 5 x 45mm Machine Screw (Not Fully Threaded)
• (S14583)

 

Air Filter

• Left Side Pointed Screw (S14743)
• Right Side Regular Screw #5 x 35mm (S14743)

Carb Rubber

• (58246)

 

 

1967 Vespa Sprint VLB1T Parts Vendors List

1967 Vespa Sprint Part Vendors (VLB1T) that I have used at one point or another

 

Dosie Zwitserload – Vespa

383 – Lake Street

Cairns Australia 4870 ph 0404 173647

 

Scooter Mercado

http://www.scootermercato.com/

Shipping $25 Canadian

 

Monster Scooter Parts.com

http://www.monsterscooterparts.com/

 

American Scooter Center

www.americanscootercenter.com

 

Scooter Works.com

                https://scooterworks.com/

 

SIP Scooter Shop.com

                Very Happy with the quality of parts from here

http://www.sip-scootershop.com/main/base/productconfigurator.aspx?_country=e993ab67-6807-4109-bbed-f6374ebf9f9b&gclid=COqyj_258MwCFRRgfgodCiAMbw

 

Universal Scooters

 North Hampton UK

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Universal-Scooters/Universal-Scooters-General-Info.html

 

Classicorama

 EBay.ca  Vietnam

 

Classic Scooter Parts

(Ebay.ca USA)

 

Vespavintage1960

 (Ebay.ca India)

 

Bulletwala

(Ebay.ca – India – expensive shipping)

 

Vintage.export

(Ebay.ca India)

Vintage Auto Spares

Similar Electrical System

This looks very much like the same system my bike had, I'm finally back to the bikes .. It has been far too long. 

http://www.red-salamander.com/projects/vespa/wiring.html

VLB1T 12V Stator

Flywheel is a bit damaged obviously someone tried to take it off in the past without the flywheel tool

I neglected to buy the flywheel holder but do have the removal too .. the block of wood was the quick solution and it worked well .. lots of old dirt and grease took a while to loosen it up enough to get the flywheel tool in 

here is the Stator .. again some home wiring with masking tape in behind so Ill have to clean this up as well .. but overall looks like everything is in decent shape .. a little clean up hopefully .. i am still considering a replacement kit

http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/ignition+vespatronic+for_50004010

Thank you Vespa books for making note to mark the stator position before removing it :) -- done !!

Hey now this is interesting  http://scootrally.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2072

Pulling the old harness and trying to figure out WTF happened to cause a fire (Blue Vespa Sprint 150)

Headset Removal 

Remove two bolts from base of light on the chrome

Two Screws 10 mm long the one on the right has a little brass inset appears it had been drilled out in the past

Pull chrome off carefully & remove Front Light assembly

Headset Internals

Right throttle wiring - note dad has the lower guards at his place

Three wires on the left for the signal lights (left = red / black to common ground/ White to right signals )

 Remove the Speedometer

Remove screw from bottom of headset

Push the Speedo Cable up from the lower front tire

Tape the Speedo cable so you don't loose it

Remove Speedometer

To Remove the Headset 

Pull the bolt out that holds the front wheel to 90 degrees from the steering - this also holds the headset down on the lip of the screw

Remove the wires from

Disconnect the Signal Switch

Lower is the Auto Start Switch Upper is the horn & hi/ low lights

Back of the Start switch (Red / white)

The cover of the horn switch just pulls off

Back of the Horn Switch

 Remove Rear Brake Switch

Brake switch Screws

 Re move Horn

 Start Pulling the wires & harness back from  under the gas tank - Don't forget to add pull wires to the horn handles and front signal lights